Youtube video of building this.
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Monitor $380 | 50" Hisense H8G | Same pixel density as my old 27" 1080p monitor, twice the size. 4k 60hz. Based on rtings.com reviews. I think the most important things to verify are 4:4:4 color, and low input lag. Which this has. This does not have freesync / gsync. Cost less (89%) than the 21" 57.3 pound CRT I bought 16 years before. Weighs 28.7 pounds, 50.1%. | Perfect. 2020-09-26 |
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Video $440 | PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Devil | AMD better supports open source than Nvidia, so I'll go with them. RX 5700 XT is the latest greatest AMD, and fits my budget. This seems one to be the quietest with this GPU. 300mm long. Youtube budget guide. Not waiting for Radeon 6000 series, because I expect amazing supply shortages like Nvidia currently has. "the RX 5700 XT will only throttle when the hottest part of the GPU hits the 110 degrees Celsius thermal junction". This GPU has stability problems. Motherboard expansion slots are 0.8" = 20.32mm apart. This card is 53mm = 2.61 slots wide. It's 15.4 times faster than my old card. It annoyingly doesn't tell you which GPU it actually has: "[Radeon RX 5600 OEM/5600 XT / 5700/5700 XT] (rev c1)" Linux RGB. | Perfect 2020-10-17 |
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CPU $295 | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core | Similar reasons, matchy matchy: AMD. The AMD Ryzen 5 3600 CPU seemed good, again based on youtube, and again under budget, so I bumped it up. Does PCIe 4.0. Most powerful 65 watt. Less watts = less heat = more quiet. Newer CPUs available 2020-11-05, I'm not waiting. I was right, 3700X is faster at all core than the same price 5600X. "Max Temps: 95°C" Thermal throttling limit is 85C? Maybe limit to 80C. | Perfect. 2020-10-08 |
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Primary storage $159 | Samsung 850 EVO 500GB | I had this. If I were buying new, I'd get PCIe 4.0 NVMe. But I'm waiting till next year, because upgrading doesn't cause a noticable difference, | Right. 2016-06-01 |
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Bulk storage $620 | Western Digital Red Plus, 3TB x6 | Four old drives, plus two new drives so that I can convert it from ZFS (❤️) RAIDZ1 to RAIDZ2. "Do not use raidz1 for disks 1TB or greater in size." Because the chance of a second drive dying during a rebuild is too high. Three year limited warranty. Part number WD30EFRX. Don't buy SMR drives. | Right. 2016-06-01 2020-10-02 |
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Motherboard $165 | Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus | 7 SATA ports and PCIe 4.0 cut my options down. X570 motherboard chipset for full PCIe 4.0. The only one fanless is the $700 Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme (without enough SATA). My impression is the fans tend to be pretty quiet. The third cheapest is this Asus. I like Asus, this board has everything I want, and is highly reviewed. The two cheaper ones are ASRock, I'd rather go with Asus. "The asus tuf gaming x570-plus wifi admittedly has probably the best VRM of any $200 X570 motherboard." - sk9f92. No front USB-C, but one on the back. Review. Motherboard round up video. "VRM testing shows that the ASUS TUF beats boards twice as expensive in thermal performance. Getting that one." - comment. VRM thermals "bang for your buck... one of the absolute best X570 motherboards". The next non-ASRock is $289. Only Asus and ASRock have 7 SATA ports. | Perfect. 2020-10-08 |
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CPU cooler $70 | Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black |
Quiet, sexy, good. Comes with thermal compound. Noctua says it's compatible with the motherboard and case, and rates it as "best overclocking headroom" for this CPU. Six year warranty. | Perfect. 2020-09-30 |
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Case $114 | Antec P101 Silent | This is the only quiet case I've found that can handle six disk drives with a long graphics card. It was rated quietest by tomshardware. And I like it. It's the same brand as my last two cases (Sonata Elite and P180). I really like the three big + slow = quiet intake fans. I might replace them with PWM's. The positive pressure / intake fans makes a lot more sense to me than the negative pressure / exhaust fans on my old case, which sucked unfiltered air through the power supply with its fan shut down most of the time. It fits a 450mm graphics card, while reducing 3.5" drive bays to six. I don't think it's worth having to clean a separate power supply intake, like this. Review. It looks like it comes with Antec PF12 fans, which nobody raves about. | Perfect. 2020-09-30 |
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RAM $115 | Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 | 16GB seemed good. I doubled that. 3200mhz is the highest speed supported by this CPU without overclocking. Two sticks for easy upgrading. These aren't on Asus's Qualified Vendor List, but they're on Crucial's list of their parts compatible with this motherboard. Lower latency is uncommon and expensive. Corsair Vengeance would also have been fine, they cost the same that day. | Perfect. 2020-10-07 |
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Power supply $145 | Corsair RM850x (2018 / v2) | Build is estimated at 499 watts. These power supplies don't even spin up their fan till 40% usage, so more capacity = more quiet. It comes with 10 SATA connectors, so it should be good on connectors. Huh, pcpartpicker doesn't check that. It has one 12 volt rail, which means I don't need to worry about power distribution. Fully modular. Review, quietest 850w. Ten year warranty. It will probably last me a decade or two. This is part number CP-9020180-NA (2018 / v2), the previous version is part number CP-9020093-NA (2016 / v1). "you don't need 850W ever" perfect :) I am annoyed that it didn't come with any single connector PCIe cables. | Perfect. 2020-10-03 |
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Fan splitter $7.95 |
Noctua NA-SYC1 | I have four case fans, and one CPU fan. The motherboard has five controllable fan headers, once you enable AIO pump control, but AIO pump doesn't let me drop that fan below 60% duty cycle. While these fans can handle 31%. So I have to choose between using all motherboard fan headers, and one fan being slightly noisier than it needs to be, or using a fan splitter, and one fan not having its fan speed (and eventual death) monitored, and spending an extra $8. Because the motherboard has disabled the functionality I want. CPU opt always runs at the same speed as the CPU fan. I have submitted a feature request. | Perfect. 2020-10-15 |
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Optical drive $0 | Nope | My current optical drive is IDE, because it didn't seem worth buying a new one ten years ago. And there are no IDE connectors now. I probably haven't used it in years, so again, it's probably not worth buying a new one. RIP. I guess I need to buy a thumb drive. Onward. | Right. - |
Power consumption at the wall, in watts, measured with a Kill A Watt, including display:
| Idle | 243 |
| Unigine Heaven (GPU loaded) | 454 |
| Prime95 (CPU loaded) | 333 |
PCPartPicker completed build
PCPartPicker discussion
I may upgrade the case fans to Noctua NF-A12x25 black (when it comes out) or Arctic P12.
Having an extra SATA port would be really useful for zfs expansion. Or replacing a failing drive. ZFS formatting. Set block size."The disk is currently formatted with the 4K Sector Size, the pool is configured with ashift=12. The dataset is set to recordsize=16K, compression=lz4, atime=off" Advanced Format disks
Recommendation to wait 90 days after CPU / GPU are released.
Modular power supply cables are not all interchangable and an destroy your hardware.
Don't buy from MSI, they're being super sketchy.
Here's a reason not to buy Nvidia (2020-12-12).
My plan used to be something like: Spend $1500 every five years and do a full rebuild. I want to try, instead, spending at the same rate, but doing a little each year. $300 a year. Maybe:
| Year | Spend | Left | Part |
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| 2021 | $180 | $120 | Corsair MP600 1TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 NVME drive.
3.1x faster than my SATA SSD. Pretty heat sink. Check benchmarks, these things aren't saturating PCIe 4.0 yet. Review: PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe peak sequential read is 3560 MBps. PCIe 4.0 doubles that, but this MP600 is only 1.41x. Buying on 2021-06-01. |
| 2022 | $0 | $420 | |
| 2023 | $500 | $220 | Graphics card. |
| 2024 | $0 | $520 | |
| 2025 | $600 | $220 | CPU, and therefore motherboard and probably RAM. Maybe keep motherboard, and get a 3950X CPU? I expect new CPU socket (AM5) and RAM slot (DDR5). Is there any point for me to upgrade the CPU when I'm not upgrading the graphics card? Maybe wait? |
| 2026 | $500 | $20 | Graphics card. |
| 2027 | $0 | $320 | |
| 2028 | $0 | $620 | |
| 2029 | $500 | $420 | Graphics card. |
| 2030 | $600 | $120 | Motherboard, CPU, RAM. Maybe only CPU, if I got a new motherboard last time, and socket hasn't changed. |
| 2031 | $300 | $120 | Case and power supply. Seasonic Prime power supplies have a 12 year warranty. |
| 2032 | $420 | $0 | Display. |
I'm planning to build a file server to host backups at somebody else's house, from old parts. Three 2TB drives in ZFS RAIDZ1, for ~4TB capacity. I need ~2.5TB.
| Hard Drive | $159.98 | SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 ST2000DL004 2TB x2 | I bought two of these based on SilentPCReview. They caused me great suffering. | 2010-11 $0 |
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| Hard Drive | $219.99 | Western Digital WD20EADS 2TB | 2009-08 $0 |
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| Monitor | $170 | Acer G276HL Gbd Widescreen LCD Monitor, 27-Inch Full HD (1920 x 1080) | 2015-11-10 | ||
| Video | $179.99 | HIS Radeon HD 6870 IceQ X 1GB | 2012-03-18
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| Power Supply | $194.99 | Corsair AX-850 | Highest recommended power supply over 650 watts by SilentPCReview.com. Silent at low power (fan off). Modular cable system - attach exactly the power cables you need. Overkill wattage. Luxury power that I expect to last a very long time. | 2010-11 $0 |
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| CPU | $189 | AMD Phenom II X4 965 125W Quad-Core | 2010-03 | ||
| Motherboard | $183 | ASUS M4A79T Deluxe | 5 SATA ports. | 2010-03 | |
| RAM | $246 | G.SKILL ECO 8GB (4 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 (Timing: 7-8-7-24-2N) | 2010-03 | ||
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case | $124.99 | Antec P180 case | The air flow is less dumb than my Antec Sonata Elite, which sucks air in through the power supply. | 2005 |
| DVDR | $49.99 | NEC 16X IDE ND-3520A BK | I might as well leave my only working optical drive with my only working motherboard with the required IDE connection. | 2005-05 $2.49 |
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| Floppy | $7.49 | NEC Black Floppy Drive | Because I can. | 2005 |
The PowerColor Red Devil AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT I got has flaky hardware, and green screen crashes my computer about once a day. I've done everything I can in software. I'm going to return it. Today AMD announced their RX 6000 series cards. RX 6900 XT for $1000, RX 6800 XT for $650, and RX 6800 for $580. Not worth the additional money for me. Last time it was five months from their top of the line announcement till their next announcement. I'm not up for waiting six months. So I'm going to replace the one I have with one identical to it. Because I am hopeful this problem is uncommon.
My hard drives are logging more SMART errors than I'd like. I currently have three 2tb disk drives, and one 500gb drive. I replaced them with four 3TB WD Red drives (WD30EFRX) in a zfs pool, for $109 each. And a 500gb Samsung SSD (MZ-75E500B/AM) for $159. These are among the most popular drives currently, silentpcreview.com says good things about WD Red, and I like the look of the Samsung SSDs (minimal).
I am so excited about ZFS, I love having checksums all up and down the filesystem, and the raid like functionality is better than raid.
Looks like I'll be using software raid, since the chipset on this asus motherboard apparently provides fake raid that doesn't support linux, and does RAID5 badly.
"just under 80% of all hard drives will survive to their fourth anniversary."
My 57.3 pound 11 year old CRT monitor died ☹. It served me very well. I got a temporary replacement with low expectations. It was great for the five years I used it.
| Monitor | $170 | Acer G276HL Gbd Widescreen LCD Monitor, 27-Inch Full HD (1920 x 1080) | 2015-11-10 |
Looks like I'm going to replace my 57.3lb CRT with a 4k tv at some point. 3840 X 2160, and I sit very far back on my couch, so I'm not concerned about the pixel density. Make sure it can do 4k at real 60hz+. (Some advertise it, or higher, but don't have the input bandwidth due to HDMI limitiations. Some are advertized as "4K Ultra HD 120Hz" but can only do, for example, 30hz at 4k.) Probably need to wait for HDMI 2.0 to be able to drive 4k over 30hz, although displayport 1.2 can handle at least 4096x2160 at 60hz. I'd like to get something I could get a floor stand for (rotating would be nice). Seiki and TCL appear to be the two brands of 4k TVs under $1000 now (under 60hz at 4k), and reviews are kind of impressively terrible. Reddit suggestion. Phoronix on 4k.
Apparently also need to make sure the monitor supports 4:4:4 (full RGB) at 3840x2160@60Hz. And input lag. How is color accuracy (IPS panels are better than TN panels)?
Old 4:4:4 info. Mentions input lag is also an issue for TVs.
MonoPrice.com seems to have very good stuff for very good prices. I wish they had 4k TVs. They have a 4k monitor with displayport 1.2 now, but I was hoping for something bigger than 28". 50" would be nice.
Samsung UN50HU6950 50-Inch may do what I want, for $1298, as of 2015-01-15. Also LG Electronics 55UB8500 55-Inch for $1649. And Sharp LC-60UD27U 60-Inch for $1998.
"All LG XXUB8500 series seems to support 4:4:4 on HDMI port #3 ." "The only drawback from the a review was that the input lag was about 64ms even in game mode"
"Its the Samsung 65HU9000. LG 4k TVs were the first to be able to do 4k/60hz with 4:4:4 chroma, but because they are IPS panels the input lag is crazy bad. "
"which one of them support VESA DPMS for sleep and wake-up with the PC"
Need SATA III, 6Gb/s, for SSDs, preferably a RAID0 pair.
I really wanted to buy the first consumer version of the Oculus Rift, and rebuild my computer around gaming with it, but am very turned off by the Facebook buyout.
| Type | Price | Model | Explanation | Ordered Shipping |
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| Video | $179.99 | HIS Radeon HD 6870 IceQ X 1GB | Tired of dealing with Nvidia's proprietary drivers or buggy open-source drivers (nouveau). | 2012-03-18
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For years I used Nvidia cards because they at least had decent proprietary drivers. Now AMD/ATI provides good open source drivers, so I'm switching to them. I'm playing with wayland a lot, so the bugginess of the Nvidia open source drivers is often painful, and wayland doesn't work at all with any proprietary drivers. I compared all the top performers on Tom's Hardware's video charts until I found prices I could tolerate, then went looking for one that was quieter than most, hence the IceQ. Verified it works with the linux open source drivers by checking "man radeon".
| Model | Price | Unigine Heaven Entry FPS |
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| 7970 | $550 | 137 |
| 7950 | $450 | 117.80 |
| 7870 | $360 | 115.70 |
| 7850 | $260 | 97.80 |
| 6970 | $390 | 93.50 |
| 6950 | $255 | 89 |
| 6870 | $170 | 78 |
| 6850 | $140 | 65.50 |
| 7770 | $150 | 65.50 |
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AMD/ATI open source support
It looks like my future video cards will be AMD (they purchased ATI) because they have been supporting open source drivers well. nVidia has never provided any support for open source drivers.
I need to look into video decoding support.
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Their latest two card series have been HD 5000 (Evergreen), and HD 6000 (Northern Islands). |
It's about time for Solid State Drives to start becomming common. 60gb for ~$100. 100 times the speed of mechanical drives, and silent.
The Athlon 64 x2 3800+ got cooked by my household electricity having an "open neutral".
Needing to buy a new motherboard, cpu, ram, and power supply seemed like a good time to restart this component list.
This is all the hardware currently in my computer, in reverse chronological order
| Type | Price | Model | Explanation | Ordered Shipping |
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| Power Supply | $194.99 | Corsair AX-850 | Highest recommended power supply over 650 watts by SilentPCReview.com. Silent at low power (fan off). Modular cable system - attach exactly the power cables you need. Overkill wattage. Luxury power that I expect to last a very long time. | 2010-11 $0 |
| CPU | $183.99 | AMD Phenom II X4 965 125W Quad-Core | Don't like Intel. Fastest AMD. "any [heatsink] that says it fits AM2 or 939 will fit [AM3]" |
2010-03 $18.52 |
| Motherboard | $178.99 | ASUS M4A79T Deluxe | Only ASUS motherboard that supports the latest AMD socket type (AM3) and the latest type of RAM (DDR3) and has a coax digital audio out (mostly useful for home theater surround sound). Looked into other brands some (Gigabyte, DFI, MSI), but decided not to change. (BIOS version was sufficient on mine for this CPU.) Maximum 16GB ram. | |
| RAM | $239.99 | G.SKILL ECO 8GB (4 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 (Timing: 7-8-7-24-2N) | Fastest type MB supports (DDR3 1600 overclocked), $30 cheaper than Corsair, better latency and lower voltage, hearing good things about the brand, only $10 more than the cheapest (8gb set) option I trusted (also G.Skill). CAS latency of 7, best available. | |
| Case | $84.99 | Antec Sonata Elite Black | Best quiet case without the obnoxious power supply placement of the P180, and less than $1,000. | |
| This is where my computer got fried. Got the new UPS because of symptoms of the problem that did it. | ||||
| UPS | $169.99 | CyberPower 1500AVR | 2009-09 $7.87 |
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| Keyboard | $12.99 | Logitech Deluxe 250 | Feels like much better quality than others I've had. Plain, without all the extra garbage that's hard to avoid these days. | |
| Hard Drive | $219.99 | Western Digital WD20EADS 2TB | 2 terabytes. Damn. Slow though. 2010-11: Hearing good things about the Samsung F4 2TB HD204UI. |
2009-08 $0 |
| Hard Drive | $159.98 | SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 ST2000DL004 2TB x2 | I bought two of these based on SilentPCReview. They caused me great suffering. | 2010-11 $0 |
| Video | $149.99 | nVidia GeForce 8800 GT | nVidia and AMD (ATI) are the major 3D accelerator brands. nVidia at the time had much better Linux support.
Purchased only because I managed to fry my previous nVidia card while attempting to reverse its fan by shorting the pins. (EVGA 512-P3-N801-AR, 512mb) |
2008-09 $0 |
| Mouse | $8.25 | Logitech SBF-96 mouse | Quality. Cheap. Familiar. | 2008-07 $6.99 |
| Hard Drive | $104.99 | Western Digital WD5000AAKS 500GB | Recommended by SilentPCReview.com. | 2007-11 $0 |
| DVDR | $49.99 | NEC 16X IDE ND-3520A BK | Only ribbon cable remaining. Grr. | 2005-05 $2.49 |
| Monitor | $429.00 | ViewSonic G220fb Black 21" CRT | 26kg (57.3lbs) | 2004-02 $38.00 |
| Subtotal | $2188.12 | $73.87 | ||
| Total | $2261.99 | |||
I'm planning to move my Scythe Ninja heatsink to the new cpu.
The Thermalright HR-03 video card cooler looks interesting. What happened to video coolers that vented out the back of the case? Lowest noise ("silent") and temperature out of seven.
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$383.00 | video | ASUS EN7800GT/2DHTV/256M Geforce 7800GT 256MB (dual DVI) | 16a, 56.7w |
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$30.99 | video cooling | Arctic Cooling NV Silencer 5 REV 3 (comes w/ compound) | |
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$322 | cpu | Athlon 64 x2 3800+ Manchester, socket 939 | |
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$39.99 | cpu cooling | Scythe Ninja CPU Cooler SCNJ-1000 ("Thermal grease included") "The cooling performance of the Ninja Scythe is the best we've reviewed." - SilentPCReview.com, 6/17/05 |
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| $5.99 | thermal compound |
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound, 3.5 grams (for CPU heatsink) "the price is ok... cuz 3.5 grams can be used in 15-20 cpus." - icemanleo on newegg, 12/27/05 |
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| $236 | ram | Corsair Twinx2048-3200c2pt (@ 2-3-3-6) (2gb total) "Absolutely the best set of memory sticks out there for current motherboards." - Tungsten on newegg, 12/23/05 |
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$124.99 | case | Antec P180 case | |
| $163 | motherboard | Asus A8N-SLI Premium faq |
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| have ($101) |
hard drive | Western Digital WD2500JB 250gb UATA100, purchased 6/27/03 | 0.530 | |
| $3.50 | Athena Power 4pin (P4ATX-12V Male) to 4pin (P4ATX-12V Female) Extension Cable | |||
| $7.49 | NEC Black Floppy Drive | |||
| have ($65) |
power supply | PC Power & Cooling Silencer 360 ATX | 21 | |
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have ($459.99) |
monitor | Viewsonic G220fb 21" CRT, 59.4 lbs. | |
| have ($17.99) |
nic | linksys etherfast 10/100 nic (lne100tx) | ||
| have | sound | sblive value sound card | ||
| have ($38.99) |
dvdr | NEC ND-3520A BK DVDR | ||
| $12.99 | keyboard | Rosewill RK500 Black USB? Something plain and black that feels nice, with "\" to the right of "]" not to the left of backspace. |
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| ? ($9.95) |
mouse | May stick with my old trusty logitech optical, may get a razer. | ||
| $1329.94 ($2022.86) |
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| $64.74 | Newegg Shipping | |||
| $18.24 | case fan | Nexus 120mm Real Silent case fan (black and white) | ||
| $6.33 | HeatsinkFactory shipping |
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| 1419.25 (2112.17) |
Total |
| cost | % cost | minutes elapsed | % speed | CPU |
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| $282 | 100.0% | 1.667 | 100.0% | 3800+ Venice |
| $787 | 297.1% | 1.633 | 102.1% | x2 4800+ |
| $334 | 118.4% | 1.583 | 105.3% | 4000+ San Diego |
| $811 | 287.6% | 1.500 | 111.1% | FX55 San Diego |
| $1011 | 358.5% | 1.433 | 116.3% | FX57 San Diego |
Problem with Dual Core processors, is their price exceeds their value.
Take the Athlon X2 3800+ for example, the "budget dual core", running at 2.0 GHz/512 kB makes this basically, two Athlon 64 3200+. For single threaded applications you'll see only minor performance improvements over the 3200+, and even in highly optimized conditions, you may see only 50% boost.
For the same money you could get, what, an Athlon 64 4000+? Although with the Dual Core, you get a better multitasking experience, and it makes up for many of the architectural weaknesses of the Athlon 64 architecture, when push comes to shove, the faster single core will consistently bring home the bacon.
- Lord of fools, http://www.itsallpc.co.uk/index.php?topic=388
The 3500 is simply a higher clocked 3000 or 3200. Therefore, it is not significantly faster than the 3200.
The 3700 has 1M of L2 cache, as opposed to the 3000, 3200, or 3500, which have 512K. Therefore, you will see a significant performance increase going that route. The 3500 is $20 less than a 3700. So go 3200, or 3700.
- heropsycho2177, http://www.computing.net/gaming/wwwboard/forum/5924.html
"There are many reports of [PCI Express] 2.1 cards not working in some 1.0 boards. If you have 2.0 then you don't need to worry about it. " - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/313357-33-express-compatibility